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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 17:51:35 GMT -5
google dormex.discovered it today. obviously i can't get it.smiles but using cyanigious compounds to induce less chill hours and budding? fruit set. obviously i am not advocating the use of pure poison.lol but trees and plants that have the trace elements in them already?occuring naturally? could one compost say black cherry leaves around their higher chill requirement trees? and get some of the effects of the cyanagins? decreasing the amount of chill hours the tree needs? or would it have a poisonous cumulative effect?
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 8, 2012 19:38:42 GMT -5
Can you 'splain this in non-scientific terms for those of us who failed science?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 20:40:57 GMT -5
Blue I *think* Garret is suggesting the addition of cyanigens (?sp?) can be added to prunus to replace chilling hours.
Now this might work dandy if I had any idea what a cyamigen was, or how to handle it safely.
I'm willing to wander around with no pants on asking the silly questions. Maybe Garret will tell me-us where we err.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 8, 2012 21:30:15 GMT -5
Thanks for trying to explain Tom. Geez, I hope Garrett knows what he's talking about, lol
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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 22:05:58 GMT -5
a question i pose for those smarter than i. yes i am talking about cyanide. but not in its pure form. i wonder if from leaves...limbs of say the black cherry tree ? if one applied a large amount around their trees requiring excess or large amounts of chill hours if it could cause a beneficial effect?
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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 22:09:18 GMT -5
naturally occuring...obviously not fatal to my mind. think of all the allegheney orchards or in pennsylvania of wild black cherry trees.all that organic matter doesn't cause a fatal die off in the forest? lol by the same token there is no way to know if a beneficial effect is obtained as these areas get their chill hours plus....in spades........
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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 22:11:22 GMT -5
could trace amounts leach down from said mulch/compost and induce a beneficial effect oganically?
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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 22:13:30 GMT -5
would it take say a 1000 chill hour cherry tree down to 200-400 hours ect...... i am applying principals idears that aren't quite congruent......but thatz how i iz.lol
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Post by garrett on Apr 8, 2012 22:17:33 GMT -5
i may have to just grow out my 250 lil tree seeds and see if a cumulative effect happens when i plant them in a stand or grouping.lol
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Post by txdirtdog on Apr 9, 2012 0:45:29 GMT -5
A point that might clarify to Blue, Coppice and others about what G is talking about. The original post talks about googling Dormex. This is a commerical product - hydrogen cyanamide. An important purpose of this product is it reduces required chill hours significantly to induce a fruit tree to flower. I remember reading it is used quite a bit in peaches, I think I remember kiwi and grape and other fruits as well.
Well black cherry (and other) trees have naturally occuring cyanogen compounds. Rain/water is H2O. Sooooo, if you mulched a tree heavily with the black cherry leaves in fall, would a hydrogen-cyanamide-esk compound be naturally produced and effectively reduce the chill hours required for that mulched tree?
My chemistry is too pitiful to have any idea whether it would work or not, but it sure is an interesting question.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Apr 9, 2012 7:07:54 GMT -5
Trying to induce Chill hours and the use of Chemical products, both Foreign concepts to me. But thanks for explaining it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 7:14:16 GMT -5
I did go to the link Garret supplied. Its a whole lot less clear to me now if it is the toxicity (of the spray) or the need to hold an intellectual patent close to their chest, that has this product being placed under such a tight bushel.
There are so many beasties that like prunus as much as people do. I'd be very slow to keep or collect prunus waste near to this family of trees--in hope of providential creation of cyanide-ish compounds.
The mad-chemist might want to make a tea remote from their trees (and sprayed on trees). Dormex might just have its genesis from such tinkering. It is after all a German company that's the patent holder.
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Post by garrett on Apr 10, 2012 0:24:40 GMT -5
smiles always looking fer an angle.smiles
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