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Post by garrett on Aug 14, 2011 18:27:51 GMT -5
WHO REFINISHES WOOD?FURNITURE?WHO CUTS DOWN TREES MILLS THEM AND STARTS FROM SCRATCH?SMILES.... I WANA HEAR OR SEE YOUR PROJECTS/FINDS/METHODS.
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Post by grapenut on Aug 14, 2011 21:40:57 GMT -5
A giant Oak just fell on my brothers property that has a trunk thickness of around 3-4 ft in diameter...pretty dag big if ya ask me! I'm trying to talk him into cutting the trunk up into planks, the problem being...how the heck would we move it to a place we could do it? I think the branches would be more likely as there are plenty of branches at least 1ft thick and could get several 4ft long logs to make planks with. He's thinking about it, so we shall see.
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Post by garrett on Aug 14, 2011 21:50:13 GMT -5
sounds awesome gn.how much boardfeet ya reckon is there?
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Post by grapenut on Aug 15, 2011 0:36:56 GMT -5
Gee! I have no Idea, but the trunk is straight for about 10 ft or so before it branches out....did I say this tree was HUGE!!! I hate to see such a majestic tree fall, but I would really hate seeing it all cut up just for fire wood.
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Post by garrett on Aug 15, 2011 8:31:44 GMT -5
i think it would be better served as furniture? smils
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Post by grapenut on Aug 15, 2011 9:58:50 GMT -5
that's what I was thinking! I would love to make an oak table like my Gma use to have and make a few other things as well.
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Post by garrett on Aug 15, 2011 10:07:50 GMT -5
or a rocking chair? nobody up there can mill it?
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Post by grapenut on Aug 15, 2011 22:18:35 GMT -5
Like I said, the trunk is about 4ft in diameter, how the heck are we gonna move it? my brother is talking to some people he knows and I think that they are talking to people they know, but so far it looks like we may just have to make due with the large branches for planks and the branches too small will be cut into firewood. The trunk isn't going any where any time soon as far as I can see.
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Post by garrett on Aug 15, 2011 22:21:49 GMT -5
smiles got me envious gn.whatta problem to have.smiles
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Post by Train on Aug 19, 2011 18:48:26 GMT -5
A giant Oak just fell on my brothers property that has a trunk thickness of around 3-4 ft in diameter...pretty dag big if ya ask me! I'm trying to talk him into cutting the trunk up into planks, the problem being...how the heck would we move it to a place we could do it? I think the branches would be more likely as there are plenty of branches at least 1ft thick and could get several 4ft long logs to make planks with. He's thinking about it, so we shall see. Ya The way to do that is to move the equipment to the site.. If you have access to a woodmizer your problem is solved. I see them up for sale used and even on Craig's list This machine will pick up sections you cut, place it on the cutting bed the debark them. you pattern the log out and climb into the seat and ride up and down the log as it is cut into the pieces you require. Go to the woodmizer website and see what it is. www.woodmizer.com/us/PortableEquipment/HydraulicSawmills/LT70DCSSawmill.aspxThe watermelon man can tell you all about his. Train
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Post by Train on Aug 19, 2011 18:53:51 GMT -5
Gee! I have no Idea, but the trunk is straight for about 10 ft or so before it branches out....did I say this tree was HUGE!!! I hate to see such a majestic tree fall, but I would really hate seeing it all cut up just for fire wood. Ya I used to have a linear calculator much like a square but no more and so forgetting my basics I googled it up for you. I have two answers for you: one if there is no waste (so we measure the entire volume of the log) and another where we trim the log so that its cross section is a square (and we ignore the part of the wood that's cut away). A board foot is equal to 144 cubic inches of wood. www.woodzone.com/tips/board_feet/board_feet.htmSince a log is a cylinder, and if you assume that all of the wood is useful for your purpose, its volume would be the area of its circular cross-section times its length. Since the area of a circle is (pi)*r*r or (pi)*(d/2)*(d/2) The number of board feet is (3.14)* (d * d) * (1/4) * L * (1/144) where d is the diameter of the log in inches and L is the length of the log in inches. You would use calipers to measure the diameter of the log. Alternatively, you could measure the circumference of the log (by winding a tape measure around it), and because c = (pi) * d d = c / pi So in terms of circumference, the number of board feet is also (1/3.14) * (c * c) * (1/4) * L * (1/144) where c is the circumference of the log in inches and L is the length of the log in inches. --------------------- If you were looking to cut equal slabs from the log, not all of its volume would be recoverable. Picture a square inscribed in (set inside) a circle. If everything outside the square is cut away, then the diameter of the circle becomes the diagonal of the square. So in that case the usable volume of the log would be the area of that square times the length of the log. The area of a square in terms of its diagonal is (d * d)/2 so in this case the usable board feet are (d * d)/2 * L * 1/144 which is about 64% of the full volume of the log Search terms used "board feet" Subject: Re: board feet in a log Answered By: richard-ga on 28 May 2004 12:28 PDT Rated:5 out of 5 stars Hello and thank you for your question. Perhaps you can now guesstimate. Train
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Post by garrett on Aug 19, 2011 23:57:56 GMT -5
A giant Oak just fell on my brothers property that has a trunk thickness of around 3-4 ft in diameter...pretty dag big if ya ask me! I'm trying to talk him into cutting the trunk up into planks, the problem being...how the heck would we move it to a place we could do it? I think the branches would be more likely as there are plenty of branches at least 1ft thick and could get several 4ft long logs to make planks with. He's thinking about it, so we shall see. Ya The way to do that is to move the equipment to the site.. If you have access to a woodmizer your problem is solved. I see them up for sale used and even on Craig's list This machine will pick up sections you cut, place it on the cutting bed the debark them. you pattern the log out and climb into the seat and ride up and down the log as it is cut into the pieces you require. Go to the woodmizer website and see what it is. www.woodmizer.com/us/PortableEquipment/HydraulicSawmills/LT70DCSSawmill.aspxThe watermelon man can tell you all about his. Train ya.........super ideas train..........smiles
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Post by camochef on Aug 20, 2011 16:06:39 GMT -5
If you guys aren't going to kiln dry that sucker, you might want to consider wrapping it tightly in plastic to keep it from drying out too fast and checking(splitting) which is what hardwoods do without proper drying. Also, not to burst your bubble, but have you ever seen what oak does after it finally dries...it warps like crazy. Back when I was managing the farm we bought a few truckloads of oak boards from the local sawmill to redo wagon beds and fences. what a mess after they dried out. The hay wagon beds were like waves, even though we reversed the grain on every other board, (cupped up then down then up), but the board fences were a real disaster, they bowed one way or another a couple feet in each direction, almost enough room to drive a hay wagon through. And don't try to nail into it once it dries. You'll bend 99/100 nails, of course this was in the days before portable drills and screw guns came on the market. Many sawmills or Woodworking shops wont take trees from just anyone as everything from bullets and shells to barbed wire or nails can be found in the tree and ruin a sawblade or planer or joiner knives pretty quickly. Some of those sawblades are quite a few thousand dollars each. When one considers the risks, sometimes firewood makes the most sense, You can get a good amount of money for a cord of seasoned oak, depending where you live. Camo
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Post by Train on Aug 20, 2011 17:01:56 GMT -5
Ya Camo caught me napping. He is right but you can build a small kiln. He knows how that goes too and he still made his post so you know your in for a project. However, You could dang near rough in a house with what you could acquire from that tree. If you have a moulder planer you can smooth that lumber and get premium bucks for it as a high end product for finish work. I'm talking big bucks here, like $40.00 a square ft. But Camo touched on something I didn't and that is the material must be kiln dried. It's that or ship it here and in a week it won't have 2 percent moisture in it. Problem aside from shipping is that, neither will you. Heheh Go Camo. Your the pro, I don't even qualify as amateur anymore. Train
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Post by grapenut on Aug 20, 2011 19:39:20 GMT -5
Thanks for all the great input guys. I know about the warping and was prepared for it, but my brother is fast losing interest in doing this and is ready to cut it up for firewood, but he will cut me a few logs from the branches so in the end I should end up with enough for at least a couple of projects.
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Post by camochef on Aug 20, 2011 22:29:51 GMT -5
I was just curious, is this white oak or red oak or something different. While both are used in cabinetry and furnature making, white oak is much more expensive per board foot and would almost be a shame to use for firewood. Although it's a great wood to use in a smoker!
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Post by grapenut on Aug 20, 2011 23:06:51 GMT -5
I was just curious, is this white oak or red oak or something different. While both are used in cabinetry and furnature making, white oak is much more expensive per board foot and would almost be a shame to use for firewood. Although it's a great wood to use in a smoker! It's a freking huge white Oak. it was on the boarder line of my brothers land and the neighbor who owns the hill and the tree just happened to fall on my brothers side. the guy who owns the hill has kept the hill as natural as possible for the 60 years that he has owned it, hauling truck after truck lode of leaf litter to spread around the trees, it's the only place around with old growth Pine and Oak...I just love that neighbor.
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Post by garrett on Sept 9, 2011 2:13:37 GMT -5
ya need to update us on da oak saga....smiles
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Post by Train on Sept 14, 2011 18:55:07 GMT -5
Ya No need. Camo is gonna wring his neck if it gets chopped. Heheh Train
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Post by garrett on Sept 15, 2011 9:13:40 GMT -5
rotfl train.
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Post by mohoghead on Sept 15, 2011 21:51:30 GMT -5
Mother nature has been wonderful to us here, storms blew down Cherry, Black Walnut , Hickory, Sugar Maple, and a whole bunch of missouri weeds,(eastern red cedar), so all of these i have sawn at the mill and banded in the barn with slats between. i broke doawn and spent some of my retirement mad money at sears tool world. Now i'm good for all the projects in wood smith and wood workers journal i've always wanted to do.
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Post by mohoghead on Sept 15, 2011 21:56:59 GMT -5
Here in Missouri white oak is gold, used in barrel staves and railroad ties, red oak has too many flaws for good use, BUT we used it in the past for rustic looking furniture.If you have a decent white oak call your state forester for an appraisal on what it's worth per board foot. you might just retire young ;D
uote author=camochef board=carpentry thread=7 post=882 time=1313897391]I was just curious, is this white oak or red oak or something different. While both are used in cabinetry and furnature making, white oak is much more expensive per board foot and would almost be a shame to use for firewood. Although it's a great wood to use in a smoker![/quote]
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Post by garrett on Sept 16, 2011 9:46:08 GMT -5
i love oak............
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