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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 9:19:05 GMT -5
OK trees make lumber, trees make food, and all that is good.
Trees also do house keeping and reproductive things that may please humans beyond any benefit the tree gets for actually the doin' of it.
In the spring (and fall) Japan maple leaves make some profound color changes. Their bloom is insignificant but wow da' leaves just pop.
Many trees in the rose family push bloom that kept both Asian and European poets busy for almost as long as there has been writing.
My tree babies have slowly been tilted to those trees that 'do stuff' to capture these seasonal changes.
(rose family: apple, quince, pear, rose) (prunus family: peach, plum, almond, nectarine) (acer family: all maples) (legume family: KY coffee-tree, TX Ebony, iron-wood).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 11:30:46 GMT -5
There are a bunch'a trees that bloom well, but will never ever be candidates for bonsai, their leaves are too big, or their bloom is (bloom and fruit do not reduce). Most (true) rose fall into this category.
One has to see a true scion of Pedro Dot's mini rose, to throw the whole idea of never training rose as bonsai over the rail.
Where I'd like to take all this is to prod John Best to write about his propagating technique.
I must be five or six years younger than John, and know how long it took me to get to my limited skill level at propagating. An' Johns a better hand at this than I.
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Post by w8n4dave on Nov 12, 2012 12:40:17 GMT -5
So a rose is a bonsai?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 13:15:49 GMT -5
So a rose is a bonsai? In the classic sense of a tree in a pot (that looks to be of great age), no. E-x-c-e-p-t when you get to the mini-est of mini-rose. The king of those mini-est rose breeders was Pedro Dot. Who breed up a rose (bush) of shot-glass proportion. They are truly knees and ankles above all the rest.
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Post by garrett on Nov 13, 2012 20:04:42 GMT -5
wih the roses i assume one aquires the look of an ancient looking tree of antiquity faster. form follows function in most cases. however the grower/hoobyist/orchardist can put the man in manipulation and alter form in a myriad variety of ways while still achieving function.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 20:21:27 GMT -5
I've been beating rose with a stick. They don't want to look old.
Pedro Dots' rose is so tiny, they don't have to look old.
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Post by w8n4dave on Nov 13, 2012 21:09:40 GMT -5
So a rose is a bonsai? In the classic sense of a tree in a pot (that looks to be of great age), no. E-x-c-e-p-t when you get to the mini-est of mini-rose. The king of those mini-est rose breeders was Pedro Dot. Who breed up a rose (bush) of shot-glass proportion. They are truly knees and ankles above all the rest. LOL Thanks Coppice
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2012 10:12:16 GMT -5
I have seen a photo of one of Pedro Dots rose blooms laid on a dime. It look like a rose onna dinner plate, there is that much dime showing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 13:49:00 GMT -5
Albany is a sleepy little town dieing from neglect. Our only ptomaine palace folded twice from lack of business. It has on its property line one of the reddest-leaf plums I have ever seen.
It's too big to remove, and too public to air layer. It should however fruit one of these years and I aim to pick its fruit when it does.
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Post by garrett on Dec 10, 2012 19:45:44 GMT -5
get it done copp.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 6:02:36 GMT -5
I grew up next door to one a these, It didn't bloom or fruit till I was in my teens. By eye this one could be old enough to bloom.
And no this one is redder than that long ago plum.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2012 9:53:17 GMT -5
Reports of my growing three inch tall Christmas trees are over stated. The truly small spruce or pine tree requires a devotion to watering I don't have. Trust me I tried, several times.
The diligent search engine operator will dig out of the crypts if IBC and others photo's of Zeko Nakamura's ultra tiny trees (he liked spruce). You'll know they are his trees because their will be near to hand a looming pack of Lucky Strikes in most photo's.
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Post by marielouise on Dec 15, 2012 21:34:09 GMT -5
Now thats tiny!!!!! But it would solve the storage of Christmas ornaments!
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Post by LinFL on Dec 16, 2012 0:30:01 GMT -5
You could just encase the whole thing in lucite, decorations and all. Then you would have a perpetual mini-tree. Stick it in a cute little gift box to keep it between holiday seasons...use the gift box as a stand. Voila, Christmas decorating done!
(I am going into hiding now, since Coppice probably went ballistic at my suggestion of killing a masterpiece bonsai.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2012 9:23:49 GMT -5
Mad No. Sad yes probably. I used to have a co-worker at the Henniker (NH) group home, who would steal a tree, keep it on her tv till it died and then put it back on my bench. And then steal another... I had so many how could I notice...
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Post by LinFL on Dec 17, 2012 14:00:42 GMT -5
Aww, that was mean of her to steal your trees and kill them. I was just teasing. I'd never kill a bonsai on purpose. (That's why I don't buy bonsai any more.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2012 8:36:38 GMT -5
Regular sunlight and regular watering will go a long way to keeping a bonsai happy...
I'm just sayin'.
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Post by LinFL on Dec 18, 2012 9:25:18 GMT -5
I do better with container plants that can't be killed by drowning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
I do better with container plants that can't be killed by drowning. If the dirt around the feet of your pet-tree is made right, and it (in its pot) does not sit in a second bowl, I'm not sure you can drown a tree. Particularly the smallest of bonsai (shohin, mame). Old Zeko used to water his up to eight times a day in the summer (in Tokyo). I can affirm when the pot is very small, you can kill tree-babies by not watering.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2013 10:18:14 GMT -5
Mean trees If there are pretty trees (oh like crabs), there are mean trees too. Some also bloom but even in flower keep their edge.
TX ebony, Quince, and Bo-dArc are a couple that come to mind. Brent's (evergreengardenworks) contorted quince don't just have thorns, they actually grow fish hooks.
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Post by garrett on Jan 27, 2013 16:41:59 GMT -5
how's da walnut doing copp?smiles
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 10:10:39 GMT -5
Its cold as an undertakers handshake outside. Tree seeds in pots are all sound asleep.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2013 8:32:27 GMT -5
It must be an incredibly slow news day today in Columbus, The local 'today' show interviewed Mike Dirr, author of Manual Of Woody Plants. He alowed he was hard at work on his seventh edition of same. And promised he'd get it right this time...
Most likely I and a solitary forrestry major somewhere looked up as he was introduced...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 10:42:32 GMT -5
Its way late here on the appalachia to be starting tree seeds, But I got a late request for some Bo-dArc seedlings. I'm now the proud possesor of two O oranges. They'll go under the hammer when the sun comes out and the fragments can go into a pan.
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Post by garrett on Feb 5, 2013 20:47:01 GMT -5
get er done copp.............smiles
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Post by kay on Feb 5, 2013 23:17:25 GMT -5
o oranges? Would that be osage orange?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2013 9:28:24 GMT -5
o oranges? Would that be osage orange? It-they would indeed be osage oranges.
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Post by coffeebreak on Feb 6, 2013 20:59:52 GMT -5
Spring is almost here today I saw that my Almond tree is just about ready to Bloom YES !!! Charles
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 7:04:11 GMT -5
I've never seen an almond in bloom. They are in the prunus family, so they aught to bloom...
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Post by LinFL on Feb 7, 2013 15:26:37 GMT -5
I wonder if the blooms look like peach blossoms? Maybe Charles will post a picture once they are in flower so we can see.
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