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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2014 17:48:33 GMT -5
ok got 60-70 canes planted in groups. went behind em alllllllllllll with more mulch.mostly pine straw from the other day. found a bigggggggggg pile of canes in town but they were all dark shiny brown. can those be planted or are those dried out and dead? Hard brown or hardened exfoliating bark is 'hard wood' an' still green, but dormant barked twigs is 'semi hard wood' Often its the later that gets used for propagating. Still with a big ol' jar of rooting hormone and a willingness to climb up on the roof during a thunder storm you too may be able to exclaim " Its alive!!! ITS ALIVE!!!. He shrugs shoulders, If'n I had them (and the space to set them out) I might try it too.
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Post by garrett on Feb 14, 2014 10:41:53 GMT -5
rotflmao.......... just snagged another truckload of canes from in town.started these lil guys in the supersoil border.iffin any take i'll move em in the fall....
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Post by garrett on Feb 16, 2014 1:25:42 GMT -5
i think i'm liking the older leafy areas of the arbor for further experimentation. soil seems better...more nutrients.i wrestle now with trimming the canes or leaving them as is? some are the 4-8 inches some are 4 feet tall.lol a lil wilt noted after a week or so on the initial planting. but perky after a watering. I don't know if demand on the canes to root and carry leaves is too much? or if the leaves will all help with photosynthesis? I don't think on the lil tiny ones it matters much.... but on the bigguns I dunno? I may trim some up Monday and see. never been here before. I suspect a 90 percent mortality rate....smiles but nothing ventued ect...ect.... I seriously doubt the giant 2 inch thick older canes will make. but I also think some will survive in spite of my poor meddling...smiles we'll see. i'll leave early tomm for work and go snooping for canes. i'll try the lil ones if any surface trimmed to 2-3 leaves and plant in the leafy soil....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 9:50:29 GMT -5
The more propagating photos I (at least) saw, the more I tended to do as I saw. This lead for me a lot of twiggy cuttings in a terrarium.
The one woman (MountainCat) I watched who propagated for her local forest service (as a volunteer) used fully hardwood cuttings and treated them with rooting hormone, an' stuck them straight into soil under shade covering.
An' some of the clunker branches she used was several orders bigger that anything I ever started with.
The bottom line is it worked for her. A-n-d I can't think of a single reason why you should not try the bigger cuttings your planting out.
As an aside do you plan to sell Alla a farm stand cut roses? potted plants?
I never tried peddling rose, shrugs, in any of its possibilities. It might could work.
Now I'll play defensive for a second. I wanted sapling seedling trees I could use. Rooting twigs brung me to the dance, so that who I danced with. YMMV
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Post by garrett on Feb 17, 2014 21:15:30 GMT -5
thanks copp...just staying the course.we all like variety.smiles scored 6 bags of rose clippings today and some nandina canes....
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Post by garrett on Feb 17, 2014 23:48:59 GMT -5
got the girls from last week watered.gotta get a few other bags planted and look for more. it was weird passing up perfectly good bags of leaves 2-300 or so in order to look for the bounty..... I can replace leaves...but I fear rose cuttings season is a brief small window of time.and also a small window to try to root them before temps go nuclear.we're already in the high 60's low 70's....... while that sounds delightfull it aint.wishing for 2 months of mid 50's....lol
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Post by garrett on Feb 17, 2014 23:51:41 GMT -5
I managed to plant 2 and a half rows with todays bounty in the orchard before I lost daylight. soil there is well over a foot deep full of black crumbly moist humus and aged manure..... filtering into the clay somewhat. tons of earthworms. it's the best soil I have.so into it will I go..... figure its the best chance I have for my small window in time this year......
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Post by garrett on Feb 17, 2014 23:53:19 GMT -5
iffin any of ya;lls have any 50's 60's rose catalogues lemmie know? i'll check ebay if I need to.i really feel like some of these I pulled from the last batches may be old roses from established homesites..... the history is intriguing......
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Post by garrett on Feb 17, 2014 23:55:05 GMT -5
some of the bounty has been big bush rose canes but I seem to be finding tons of tea roses..... and the odd climbers...and a species in between....? not a bush rose or tea rose or knockout.....but lengthy stems and small reddish leaves...maybe some breed of long stem tea roses.....?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2014 4:33:00 GMT -5
Garret I love a diarist, as much as anybody. Samuel Pepys was my hero. but I is intregued at where you wanna take these?
Just what do you plan to do with 200 rose?
PS your high school version of SP's diary is a single plump volume. The unedited one is seven volumes. He didn't stop chasing skirts, till he went blind.
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 20:45:37 GMT -5
rotfl 200 roses? try nearer 1000 smiles.... I told ya'lls I gots it baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd........... I figured iffin I used the resources of the orchard and the supersoil? I was gonna go hoggggggggggggggggggg wild........ I snagged a truckload of clippings today...beautiful green happy lil soldiers....... figure I dropped 3-400 clippings......... as I turned over that jet black thick humous I let my mind wander to thoughts of tomorrow... of thousands of roses growing side by side with the fruit trees....... and anything else I can drag home.....rotfl
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 20:47:59 GMT -5
aa diarist? mnnnnnnn maybe..... a chronic chronicle of life in the big redneck city?lol copp you pose an intruiging question...... what to do with them? hadn't got that far....smiles my minds eye has a vision......... I pursue it in fits and bursts........ as I can......
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 20:50:49 GMT -5
it's been a bizarre journey.... from sitting at train's knees and a host of other good friends absorbing the basic tennents of gardening....... of caring for and building the soil..... of being a custodian of sorts..... of taking these teachings ....applying some manic ocd hoarding mentality? and moving forward........ trees were a natural evolution to gardening....... feed yourself and they are beautiful........ some are 4 seasons........
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 20:54:41 GMT -5
as a byproduct of leafraiding ...... I began to plant plants...... building my first beds dedicated to plants only...... and now roses...... and iffin they be fo' free? \it seems like a perfectly natural progression to go crazy with them.....?grins we are here for only such a short time..... I figure i'm in middle summer to early autumn....... I have to dance while I can......... they say no one person can do everything....... with gardening there are no mistakes....only lessons with multiple cross applications.....?
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 20:57:14 GMT -5
veggies...plants...shrubs...trees.... room for all. iffin I can get enough plant/tree fodder and enough leaves....lol if the roses take? who knows....... I may sell boquets....cuttings......or simply enjoy them.... I do know what I have is wayyyyyyyyy to tightly planted.... so I anticipate/hope i'll have to move some...to have to replant this fall.......smiles
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 21:24:42 GMT -5
I guess it also falls under unconquered horizons..... or just the potential payoff is alluring....smiles
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 21:35:35 GMT -5
I dropped 30 or so nandina pieces in the back of the property line and planted what I believe are crepe myrtle canes behind the nandina. if they make great...if not?lol no biggie I got 40 minutes vested in the whole deal....smiles
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Post by garrett on Feb 18, 2014 21:36:34 GMT -5
I also planted a shifilera? spelling...sorry out in the patch for grins.it was a resue job so again....no biggie either way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 2:53:45 GMT -5
Well at the worst, you can lawn mower prune them short if it starts raining roses...
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Post by garrett on Feb 20, 2014 1:48:55 GMT -5
smiles... still at it..snagged some good looking cuttings today.had the truck bed full of leaves so I put em in the back of the cab inside.lol
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Post by garrett on Feb 21, 2014 22:38:48 GMT -5
well it looks like clippings are drying up.lol I cruised by the neighborhoods in town.last street yielded 7 very large branches...... 3 or so feet tall...... one had a tiny lil faded red rose on it.bachelor button size...I would guess a tea rose of some sort...sighs what made them unusual is the cane color...it was gray...like a pinoak branch....old and rough textured....very few thorns..... and what was there was almost gone..... I planted the whole sections of branches deep.a foot and a half or so... I may take some clippings from the green stalks...undecided.....
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Post by garrett on Feb 21, 2014 22:40:53 GMT -5
planted 30 or so canes in the back onion beds...lol figured what the heck....divide and conquer...... I have a few canes left in the truck and left over so I will plant these remains tomorrow...... the rescue roses from sept or so continue to look better and better. the rescued tree rose is blowing up out there...smiles tons of new leaves.....
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Post by garrett on Feb 21, 2014 22:44:16 GMT -5
i'll make a trip through town sunday morning to snoop. but I think I have enough canes till fall..... copp had asked where to put them all? I have nearly finished the middle garden..... amending it.probly another 100 bags or so of leaves will wrap that up. hoping to have some roses out of the nursery area by then to move this fall. I may flip the soil in the original leaf pile area from a few years ago as well for additional space to plant this falls coming canes in....
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Post by garrett on Feb 21, 2014 22:50:53 GMT -5
it may take me a few years for the acre of roses.....lol but iffin I can master propagation there will be many more who's yo' daddy roach roses in my future....grins.... odds are most of what I have are all modern stuff...... thatz ok...... still Purdy...... but I hold out hope that maybe some of these may be aas winners from years past or popular types..... maybe an old heirloom or two? its all a load of unknown variables.... will they take....can multiple canes in clumps grow together?can they be transplanted...planted to deep?too shallow? is the soil too rich?not rich enough?various types out there...I aint fluent in roses... but I can recognize different sizes of leaves canes ect....
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Post by garrett on Feb 21, 2014 22:52:29 GMT -5
just like many of my overkill bull by the horn projects? only way to know is to go through it..... at the moment I am tired...... need to rest a lil...not quit...just cut back some..... the foundation is all in place... now to watch...wait and water...lol
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Post by garrett on Feb 22, 2014 10:20:01 GMT -5
well I dropped 15 or so canes again by the onion beds.keep finding em all over the place.hate to waste them.lol planted a few cukoos in mom's rose beds..... planted 10 or so in pots just fer grins..... thinking I will take today off and go fishing...smiles
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Post by garrett on Feb 23, 2014 20:52:10 GMT -5
well I keep reading about different types of cuttings..hardwood...softwood...ect ect... what time of year to plant...no humidity.......lots of humidity...... leaves off..leaves on...... and on and on...... will keep with my redneck program and keep watering....... and we shall see what we shall see....
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Post by garrett on Feb 24, 2014 10:55:18 GMT -5
dropped kiddo off at school.... picked up 12 bags of leaves and you guessed it....yaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn a big box of rose cuttings....a lil on the crispy side but still green....dropped em a while ago...rose corpses everywhere...rotfl
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Post by garrett on Mar 7, 2014 20:05:05 GMT -5
been grabbing shrubs off the curb like a fiend..like xmas here...lol
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Post by garrett on Mar 7, 2014 20:08:26 GMT -5
neighbor in town bought an old house.the former owner had a massive rose collection.new owner don't like roses. dozed em all.or most..... I got a couple truckloads with permission.... been planting em over the last few days. dog tired.some had some pieces of roots.some didn't.no idear what they all are...but I figure take the chance. ended up with 30 ish or so with lil root bits and tons of clipped canes. pretty beat up. we'll do our best but looks grim.....
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