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Post by garrett on Mar 17, 2012 1:28:38 GMT -5
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Post by garrett on Mar 17, 2012 1:29:30 GMT -5
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Post by garrett on Mar 17, 2012 2:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2012 20:21:26 GMT -5
pawpaw? Looks like it to me.
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Post by garrett on Mar 18, 2012 9:36:53 GMT -5
smiles potted up more apple seeds.
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Post by bluelacedredhead on Mar 18, 2012 13:17:18 GMT -5
Three Thumbs Up!
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Post by garrett on Mar 20, 2012 10:26:47 GMT -5
gonna be potting up apple trees this weekend.lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 15:25:56 GMT -5
Go with less than full sun for a few days to a week or so after you tease babies out.
The old bonsai guys used to put trays of newly transplanted seedlings under the bench for shade.
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Post by garrett on Mar 20, 2012 15:48:13 GMT -5
its amazing to me that these lil soldiers already have different shaped leaves.lol
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Post by garrett on Mar 20, 2012 15:49:20 GMT -5
going to use 1 gallon pots.number of lil guys per pot undetermined.
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Post by garrett on Mar 20, 2012 15:59:33 GMT -5
going to really be looking at spacing. some will be planted later this year in traditional rows, as these are all wild unknown varieties i may experiment with treating them as dwarves.tight planting i've read will produce a dwarfing effect.may have to support them if i do this with stakes and or trellas.no espalier though.lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2012 16:47:08 GMT -5
Crabs are fairly upright. Hm, I gonna go google some and come back after.
Back. The wikipedia reference to coppicing (Coppice), does talk more about historic reasons for keeping a tree short.
Now I think its worth mention that my idea of short, may be knees and ankles shorter than yours. But its all a matter of degree.
The short that right for you, is the right one.
Closer than about 12" apart in rows that are 6 feet apart, is pretty tight planting as trees grow up. The average crab apple wants to grow to about 25 feet tall and about 25 feet wide, if left alone for 10-20 years.
I can solemnly swear that after 8-10 years twelve inches apart in rows six feet apart. Digging them up was a gut busting job for this old cripple. I felt better being drug behind the tractor...
And the smaller was still a volkswagon sized root ball.
Stumping a tree in the north like "antonovka" rootstock, and mounding dirt up over the stump is one way to make repeat crops of rootstock...
If I had a pomace pile of crab apple saplings, and my legs worked a little better, you might find me scampering through any orchard I didn't think I would get shot in, clipping top wood twigs for grafting material...
I have a pear stump that if I can get daughter to take pictures, may give you ideas. I plan eventually to nip at the stump and make the new growth look more like mature crown.
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Post by garrett on Mar 22, 2012 0:49:00 GMT -5
rock and roll copp.smiles repotted first group of lil apple soldiers tonight. 12 or so per 2 gallon bucket.teased em apart and they have lots more room. will keep in colonies till bigger.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2012 1:02:58 GMT -5
If they sit for a year or two in 2 gallon pots, wait till they are dormant before teasing them apart for their next instalation.
Crabs are pretty tough little trees.
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Post by garrett on Mar 22, 2012 1:26:38 GMT -5
smiles the journey begins.lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2012 6:30:31 GMT -5
Remind me of your snail Garret. I can tell I need to have you actually handle soil that is good for trees.
Its not what you think.
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2012 20:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2012 20:48:07 GMT -5
tonight this evening this afternoon...lol i ...lemmie back up. all day was mom's day.we got her garden fence up...the weedcloth in place. i then brought over a giant trashcan of my aged leafhay compost soilish medium. we filled 10 giant containers and got them ready for her veggies. wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez. i had to go to town fer my meds at the pharmacy. got em. drove through town and found treasures.but that's another thread. sorry to ramble. the soil i wanted fer the trees was 9.00 per 1.5 cubic feet. phhhhbbbbbbbbbbbbt!!!!! to that. went to the hardware store. bought 25 forty pound bags fer 31.00 a humus compost mix.lol just got inside. been potting up apple tree seedlings.my there's a bunch.... i cut about half and half.the bag soil and my humus hay leaf mix. pots were a lot less weight than if planted in the pure bag soil.holds water well it seems and drains slowly. l
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2012 20:50:28 GMT -5
its a nice rich organics laden medium. we'll see if it holds up and trees like it.i should know in a few days. put 7-10 lil guys in 2 gallon pots. i'll tease em apart later next year.
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2012 20:51:54 GMT -5
it blew my rind to see the top 3-4 inches of seedling had at least that much length or more in roots. able to see for the first time the collarary? roots along with the taproot.
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Post by garrett on Mar 23, 2012 20:58:23 GMT -5
as for the nursery/berm/final soil location? i aint gonna plant my babies in pure clay.nutritious?yes.... but has crappy draining properties.and floods and then turns to concrete.poor moisture holding abilities. i am crazy.i freely admit it......lol but it allows me to dream. trying to combine several things i have learned anbout gardening,soil,plants,microbes,starting seeds,growing things,genetic traits ad nauseum. this will be my magnum opus. good soil for trees? smiles i was told trees like wood in the soil.....fungi...there is a synergistic affect...... i am bringing it.albiet slowly. i have already added a new windrow area.just fer the babies. i am aquiring massive amounts of dead trees...woood bark and every organic i can get into my truck. there will be a hugeculter component to this experiment. lots more. more to come.
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Post by garrett on Mar 28, 2012 16:03:14 GMT -5
was looking at the first wave of apple seedlings today.definately happy.seems to all be growing albiet slowly. looks like one is manifesting purpleish leaves? just gorgeous.smiles deep purplish hues. i looked online.apparently some do show those colors in the leaves.didn't see many though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2012 16:22:06 GMT -5
And you know why I am so hooked on growing particularly crabs from seed.
One I lost to transplant shock was a "cardinal" it had red leaves and red fleshed fruit...
If you are having a bout of afluenza Brent Waltrom of evergreengardenworks.com has again all three colors (bloom) of contorted quince; after a three or four year hiatus...
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Post by garrett on Apr 1, 2012 1:26:58 GMT -5
just bought 50 m0re pawpaw and persimmon seeds.lol
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Post by garrett on Apr 1, 2012 1:28:03 GMT -5
i have a few crabs still under the lights. musing on planting them out as an experiment.
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Post by w8n4dave on Apr 1, 2012 9:27:05 GMT -5
Well lookie redperson go Nice Job Buddy
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:48:11 GMT -5
big grins.thanks wendy.just getting started.lol
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:49:38 GMT -5
just ordered in more pawpaw,persimmons.a special wildcard plum.and some bartlett pear seeds.rotfl and will pull the trigger on some more wild maine apple seeds for possible future commercial applications.
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Post by desertrat on Apr 5, 2012 9:41:19 GMT -5
You're a hard worker for sure Garret! And having fun in the process, aren't you?
My little Oscar mulberry planted last year is fruiting, my first homegrown fruit!
I still have 2 pomegranates and 2 figs to find a spot for, I just don't know how close to the house they can be, my yard isn't very big but I want fruit!
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Post by garrett on Apr 6, 2012 1:20:58 GMT -5
grow em grow em.grins
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