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Post by garrett on Mar 14, 2012 10:39:12 GMT -5
smiles.... lil trees popping up.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 5:56:54 GMT -5
Garret, in the "Trees" forum (not fruits & nuts), is a thread "A line up of the usual suspects", on NJT is what there is for photos of my trees.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2012 6:17:30 GMT -5
Dirt, its not what you think it is.
Dirt that supports trees, particularly in shallow pots, is about as natural as TANG juice drink.
For most of the trees I know that you have it will be (or aught'a be)
5 parts sifted high fired calcined clay* (more on this later), or, sifted crushed granite (this is a poultry scratch) or sifted coarse sand.
5 parts sifted crushed bark mulch
One part sifted compost
1/4 part crushed oyster shell
I'll go on in later posts if you have questions, but as your photos stand your using some bark mulch and half or more of regular soil or compost.
The particle size might not become anoxic (no air) right away, but if your soil holds up a single summer you'll be lucky.
Tiny particle size compacts and also holds too much water and drives out gasses at the roots. Anoxia causes trees to yellow and die. Trust me, I kilt hundreds of trees learning this.
No really hundreds.
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Post by garrett on Mar 25, 2012 17:22:43 GMT -5
thanks copp. ya knows i preciates ya's. i'm financially gimping along these days.a 31.00 purchase of dirt was a big splurge fer me.lol if the lil troopers last till the end of summer into doormancy? i'll be ready to move em to their final homes my friend. i am moving heaven and earth right now in order to accomadate my gardening and my trees and soil projects. i will be ready .....might lose a few lbs along the way...lol i have such big plans.......grins but the reality of doing it is tough. uncle dropped off a ton of his donor tree pots today. and i put a dent in the stash lol. i may have jumped the gun with planting my lil tiny apple trees. but i have to move quickly and decisively in the small windows of time i have. the good news? they looks like they's gonna make it. BIIIIIIIIIIIIG GRINS! looked a mite droopy friday night but like copp said...crabs is tough lil trees.lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2012 8:31:30 GMT -5
Garret, Some of what you have germinated is going to fail. In nature uncounted thousands of tree seeds get made, only some of those germinate, fewer still live long enough to be able to make seed of their own. When you add people into this rather hardscrabble tree-world, the rules get a little bent. Is-are the cyanide compounds in red leaf Japan maples the best vehicle to move sugars around a maple tree? I'm not sure the geekiest botanist could tell us for sure. Sure is pretty though. We make countless selections on reasons that have nothing to do with Darwinian realities. Will the dirt fairy flutter by in your sleep and drop off a few truck loads of sifted crushed granite? S/he never did for me. Still in order to have you blessed with the highest survivable rate for your tree babies, I want you to keep a sharp eye peeled to bring the soil you keep tree babies in pots closer to the trees ideal. The only way I win, is if you win. Winning in this case is your heart to be fulfilled by the actions coming out of your labors. When I can afford it, I will send you some samples of what it took me to keep my tree babies alive. All I can tell 'ya is I had to kill a whole battalion of tree babies getting this right. If you don't feel blessed in this, then I don't get none either.
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Post by garrett on Mar 28, 2012 15:43:06 GMT -5
copp i feel blessed every day i go outside my friend. as i tell my kiddo? life is out there.smiles i thank you for the eloquent post. gives me fuel for the soul. we gardeners/arborists/putterers are such a small community. we are all that's left of many generations of earth people. nature people.ect. i'm glad that we can all gather online and share.smiles may all our pursuits yield bounty.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 9:46:58 GMT -5
Ut oh, Tom's off on a tangent againLong ago, far-far away in the ether of the dawn of Internet was a place called 'Gardenweb'. Spike used to get tired of some of the chatty fools who habited the "Soil, Compost, and Mulch" forum. From time to time we would get sentenced to "DisneyLand" by Spike. Over a longish time we settled into an early Invision set of forums. Where the dozen or fifteen or so of the most chronic yakkers still type: z15.invisionfree.com/SCMFroup/index.php"And this has something to do with trees? How?"Well anyway this morning I was nudged to say what I did to fertilize bonsai. Bonsai is a little different from what Garret is doing so far. Garret is trying ever so hard to bulk his new seedling up. This is more than a little like feeding a sumo wrestler. My trees who will live for most of their foreseeable future in much shallower pots already have most of their bulk put on. I still need to feed mine, but I am limiting and root pruning to slow that growth down. Way way down. When I re pot I do add some osmocoat pellets and will in the summer month add some soluble fertilizer about twice a month but any liquid fertilizer is very dilute. My soil is also extremely fast draining. Um, er, my daughter once described bonsai soil as a bag of gravel with a little sawdust drug through it. Her assessment was about right. Garrets much denser soil will kinda work, but his trees will exhaust the organic part and make glue out their dirt in at most a single year. A well grown tree can (and occasionally does) grow in its pot long enough to actually lift the tree up by its roots out of the pot. For now Garret is I believe growing for landscape planting. If he keeps slumming around with me this may change. www.bonsaitreeforums.com/
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2012 10:36:33 GMT -5
I'm getting asked by Dave on SCM Froup just about the same kinds of questions Garret has been answering for himself here.
I so hope you guys don't have to bully through all the trees I had'ta kill, to find your own way home.
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Post by w8n4dave on Apr 1, 2012 9:28:29 GMT -5
I think today when the earth settles around me I will plant a redbud seed .. Well maby more than one
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 7:39:25 GMT -5
There ya go girl.
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:31:21 GMT -5
rock and roll wendy.smiles what was the name of the sled in orson wells movie?
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:35:00 GMT -5
sumo feeding.lol i likes it. i am gonna roll a lotta the trees into the supersoil planting area. massive amounts of anerobic composted carbons.leaves...wood......stumps. whatever i can grab between now and novemberish. the goal/plan/hope is that the compost will more simulate a forest floor environment.
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:37:36 GMT -5
micronutrients released.from the compost.soil tith improved.moisture holding ability improved. microheard and earthworms happy. compost potentiates fertilizers like fish emulsions.
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:40:38 GMT -5
little trees go into optimum soil.or best i can make it in such a short time. little guys will make use of availible nutrients and will have a lot of nutrients and amino acids trace minerals ect.... availible in a natural way. a soft kiss vs harsh manmade chemicals.
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Post by garrett on Apr 2, 2012 13:47:14 GMT -5
trees will be in the dream soil....grown from seed.heartier[imho] than grafted trees and grown from infancy in a beautiful tree friendly environment. tap root intact. which is very important for me as all i have read suggests trees with a tap root do better. and they will be on their own rootstock. as a whole? wild trees are heartier...more disease drought tolerant. jest plain tougher. which in our weird weather? is very desired. persimmons and pawpaws were/are native to texas. just reintroducing them.lol and they tolerate a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide range of soils. landscape trees? mnnnnnnnnnnnnnn more like a potential forest setting. i want a wild natural self sustaining grove. a feast for the eyes and the soul. a natural garden of delights.smiles
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 9:57:12 GMT -5
The photo set I sent you a link to red is old. Many of the first photos of trees all lined up on low benchs were the ones I did not give away or shovel prune when my old program was shut down.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2012 2:52:58 GMT -5
Ut oh, I thought Cagle was asleep This hasn't come up here, but has on a couple other tree forums I read.
High-fired clay products (like oilz-dri) have been used by other bonsai growers to replace the inert sifted stone most bonsai soils call for. What often happens is new growers substitute cat-litter for that high-fired product.
Cat liter fail and melts, making an anoxic sludge just about 100% of the time. Based on my trials even the high fired products fail about half the time.
If you want your trees to be happy for the rest of their life, use sifted coarse sand, granite, or heat expanded shale. You can get some where ever gravel is crushed. Or at cinder-block mills. As well as your local feed and grain store.
The best value I found was where gravel was crushed, It has been sold as cheaply as $ 5 per ton (if you pick it up). It does need to be sifted, but is still the hands down best price...
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 22:57:32 GMT -5
Whelp, either an email sent to fishbeckwharton at XXX. com will arive in Red's e-mailbox or somebody is going to be really perplexed at photos of bonsai, with a subject line of "A fury of ducks".
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2012 5:21:57 GMT -5
I so hope Garret gets my tree pictures...
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Post by garrett on May 5, 2012 9:26:54 GMT -5
still looking copp. caint find em.sighs garrett
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 7:16:28 GMT -5
Follow up PM sent
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Post by garrett on May 6, 2012 9:47:08 GMT -5
the eagle is landing.lol
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2012 18:13:05 GMT -5
Well, none a mine are anywhere near ready for the national bonsai collection in Washington DC. I didn't know garret was on dial-up. Time'll tell if he starts talking to me again after down loading those jumbo lill' tree photos.
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Post by garrett on May 10, 2012 12:51:34 GMT -5
always will chat witchya copp....smiles pictures had a ''fatal error''? can't open file.says damaged.sighs
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 16:38:59 GMT -5
I whined at the Sapling-In-Cheif today about getting those onto a photo bucket account. Still not there yet.
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Post by garrett on May 10, 2012 17:06:14 GMT -5
rotfl...........will be waiting.......smiles
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 9:03:06 GMT -5
I think today when the earth settles around me I will plant a redbud seed .. Well maby more than one Well... did'ja huh??? How do your babies grow?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 19:59:02 GMT -5
I just emailed garret a flickr page with 2012 photos on it. When the Sapling-In Cheif comes by Monday I'll see if she can splain to stupid me how to stick a link in here with it tagged.
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Post by garrett on May 12, 2012 1:18:43 GMT -5
those are just breathtaking copp.is that a crab i see?grins what is the gorgeous japanese flavored one in far right? wowwwwwwwww
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2012 6:18:31 GMT -5
those are just breathtaking copp.is that a crab i see?grins what is the gorgeous japanese flavored one in far right? wowwwwwwwww In the group photo there is a plain-jane crab on the top row left. Top far-right is a bald cypress. Larch (tamarack) and bald cypress are deciduous conifers. Meaning in the fall the needles turn yellow-brown and drop off. Trees that bloom or change colors, or just plain are a different color, talk to me. All of my tree babies shown were either yamadori collected (as in the larch) or were grown out from twigs (as in somebody else's seedling or rooted cutting) or from seed by me. Even the larch were ditch grown, meaning a town road-crew used to mow them short, and I got them about four inches tall. Them are Maine escapee's. Garret will just have to make do with bald cypress, Larch will not live in the deep south. I added the pear because it is still showing its profound coppicing. This too will become less noticeable as years pass and I prune that stump more in line with the existing new branches. Enclosed is a cut and paste to the flickr photo set: www.flickr.com/photos/58484679@N06/sets/72157629685333350/
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