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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2012 5:50:22 GMT -5
Yamadori: At one time it may have been that all the trees in ducal and imperial Japanese collections were wild collected. But as the Tokugowa shogunate kicked Japan into the nineteenth century from its long feudal slumber, wild collected trees, well, they were all collected.
As a middle class erupted, so did a bonsai manufature at Omya. The new middle class had to have the symbols of status, and in Japan that meant some kind of garden.
To this day there are virtually no wild growing azalea. If sakalin island had not been a Russian possetion for the past sixty odd years there might not be a single spruce left on the island.
All for the name sake of "being rescued from the wild", yamadori.
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Post by garrett on Sept 18, 2012 19:09:41 GMT -5
thanks copp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2012 7:36:06 GMT -5
This site has a fair amount of traffic. More importantly a better photo inventory. bonsainut.com/forums/activity.phpWith threads on hackbery, TX ebony, peach, & crab apple. This is looking like the working mans version of the old IBC. Two thumbs up, for big boy bonsai. There is a thread about shohin crab apple that the grower is justafiably proud of their tree, OO-EEE!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2012 13:04:18 GMT -5
My hearty trees are still sitting up on their bench, they will go to winter quarters soon.
Tender trees have been indoors under lights and sitting on their boot tray. The tray lets me mop up the water that escapes pots from when I water trees.
I don't have space to also set out another P-nut butter terrarium for bald cypress. But if I did (have space) I suppose I could.
Lets see if I can make Olives this winter eh?
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Post by garrett on Oct 30, 2012 17:26:40 GMT -5
olive away copp.... good luck bro.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 12:34:41 GMT -5
Soon Garrets loved up baby trees will be fully dormant. I dunno if he took photos of his trees fresh out of seed and now. But I know his minds eye sees the growth as sharply as a knife cut. His imagination make next years growth a ghost in the back of his eyebones. If he was a fledgling artist he might start drawing those progressions. If he stays with this long enough one or two will fall into shallow pots, so that he can try with scissors what his imaginings see'. Oops, another one goes to pot...
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Post by garrett on Nov 4, 2012 21:51:56 GMT -5
the apples from seed continue to amaze me.a few are pushing 4.5-5 feet..... there are also obvious leaf shape differences...lol i have 40-60 more seeds from that same vendor i will start this fall..... i don't know if you northern folks sees this kinda growth on yer crabses? it may be that they's popping cause they are growing in a foot of manure?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2012 9:01:40 GMT -5
the apples from seed continue to amaze me.a few are pushing 4.5-5 feet..... i don't know if you northern folks sees this kinda growth on yer crabses? it may be that they's popping cause they are growing in a foot of manure? Up on the cow-hampshire tundra, if I got a two foot tall tree (the first year) in a shallow pot I was doing pretty good. Planted to field for the first few years, a four foot growth is dependent on water. Either they gets enough and they grows, or they gets something less and they sit there stunned. Bonsai because they don't have enough mushrooms around their feet do get fed supplements of fertilizer. Most of the fertilizer gets washed out the pot with watering, trees just don't eat on their own that well. If you saw that post apocalyptic classic "Beyond Thunder-dome", think master-blaster with the tree being the master... Lest I sound ungrateful about manure-mulch, I did and do shovel it on. To my surprise the stuff with the most Carbon, made the most growth. So I guess an argument can me made that the second most important thing to add is food for mushrooms (carbon). Well, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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Post by garrett on Nov 13, 2012 20:05:28 GMT -5
burr oak good fer bonsai?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2012 20:16:48 GMT -5
burr oak good fer bonsai? I believe its in the white oak family, so its one of the better ones to try. Even planted to field its a 15-20 year job...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2012 9:51:59 GMT -5
Soon its going to be past-leaf stealing season. Have you noted where local (yummy) apples are growing? Gotten permission to collect top-wood from them? Read anything about grafting? Tried drawing some of the trees you got as bonsai? Taken any photographs of your tree babies? Looked at other peoples bonsai, like at Bonsai Nut. www.bonsainut.com/forums/activity.php
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Post by garrett on Nov 22, 2012 20:36:18 GMT -5
smiles i been buying....scrounging......emptying the coffers for any fruiting tree seeds..lol i got yer babies planted and loving on em. there ain't any simmons here to collect.....lol none...i may have the only ones on the 200 mile radius we live in. i reloaded the marula seeds and the cashw seeds... i been hunting the world for organics....... and i mean daily....... haven't got enough of anything to graft yet.....deer been munching the back baby wild apple trees. ###$$$%%%%%@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by garrett on Nov 22, 2012 20:41:48 GMT -5
i acquired a dumptruck of fresh rice hulls.might be able to get a few more.....we'll see...... planted 200 more wild apple seeds and may pop for 400 more...... i have to cover an acre 2-3 feet deep in organics....or i won't have a snowballs chance fer the baby rees next year..... planted the nemaguard peaches pits by the raised bed and covered heavy with leaves. dropped the apricots in the raised bed and covered with leaves. got 5-600 babies in pots stratifying... sapote and lord knows what out in the field.... covered 100 of the kaki simmons in a foot or so of rice hulls.....lol reading? no i am scouring the earth fer raw materials to feed my babies during the upcoming season...... i need at least another 1000 bags of leaves.....rotfl................
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Post by garrett on Nov 22, 2012 20:46:58 GMT -5
if i can get the 3-4 more loads of hulls i will dump em in the back acreage.starting new laylines/oasis of organic materials...... then sometime in laaaaaaaaaaaate winter i will leaf or manure over the origional compost pil i started with...... i know covering an acre that deep in organics with just a half ton pickup is insane...but i am determined....lol 10 bags here....30 there all adds up....given the fact we have 2 leaf seasons? i might just get there....... i got the grewia out by the blueberries....charles wild cherry and apricot and olives are out there in the middle garden as well......in year old manure leaf mix.purdy stuff.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 9:04:43 GMT -5
Howcome isit (actually I know the answer to this), anyway, howcome isit, I feel like my K-Mart shopping cart is full with fewer than 100 (including bonsai) trees in it.
If I get thirty seedling crabs tricked into deep cells in spring of 14, and make a flat of 21 grafts into delux apple trees, my head will swell up.
Red my back hurts just reading what I think you wanna do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 12:12:49 GMT -5
Wiring I let the old links I had to IBC pages die with the hard drives of various past computers. I actually didn't start to recollect blog and forum pages till this spring.
Two years ago I was reeling from having to move and sell, give away, and shovel prune my babies. I wasn't so sure I wanted to see how other guys were doin' it.
I got in a teeni crop of new tree-babies. Had some success with with giving away (free-cycle) those who were not going to become bonsai candidates (this is crucial if your not going to have your tree inventory get away from you). And am starting to collect a go-to group for specialty stuff like top wood.
Anyway to get back on-task, as I foraged for bonsai forums and blogs I ran smack into a chore I don't care for. If you were training the limbs of a big tree to espalier you'd use almost the exact same stuff that a bonsai hobbyist would (save for size) to wire your branches to look more mature.
I cannot adequately say how little I like this chore. Or, how patently some of my trees need a good wiring...
*Sigh*
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Post by garrett on Nov 26, 2012 19:37:53 GMT -5
i've looked at espaliering stuff.looks interesting.pretty..... i don't have the eye for that kind of detail.... plus i like my stuff to look wildish...... anything treely you might need iffin i trip over it copp?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 11:27:41 GMT -5
Eat enough persimmon to feel like your able to tell one(s) you like.
If ever there is a tree with good, or something else for fruit persimmon is one.
The best one as far as fruit goes of my youthful foraging had the smallest leaves of any I have seen since.
A really top persimmon is rather like a too soft apricot by taste and texture.
When you finally do stuff a good one in your pie-hole, your going to walk out in the orchard and remind the loafer persimmon there, that their days are now numbered.
If you can in that day, remember me. I'm missing being about eight, and laying down in a grove of persimmon with goo from ear to ear...
You is fairly land rich Garret. Most of the people who do espalier are trying to wedge too may trees into too little space.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2012 11:34:50 GMT -5
haven't got enough of anything to graft yet.....deer been munching the back baby wild apple trees. ###$$$%%%%%@@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn to love venison... There are in NH probably 5000 bait orchards just off from a back porch with a fence-rail. Baiting for deer being illegal and all...
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Post by garrett on Nov 27, 2012 19:39:38 GMT -5
rotfl at bait orchards..... got busy yest looking at some more exotics...... iffin i can cover the ground.biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig plans this year.smiles
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 18:19:19 GMT -5
Bonsai, sapling seedling and seed pans-cells are going to bed. Each cheek by jowl on a raised bed with a blanket of leaf mulch. Lovely early winter day (fifty-ish).
Need more poo, oh well something will turn up.
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Post by garrett on Nov 30, 2012 22:06:20 GMT -5
leaf mulch am niccccccccccccce.............
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2012 7:43:09 GMT -5
If you've toured all the bonsai sites I've been touting, there is an inventory of oh maybe 100 different cultivars that make up most bonsai. Most bonsai everywhere and in every biome. When you lump together all the multitude blueberry or boxwood the list might even be fewer than eighty.
So when you see me shopping in the corners with garret's black walnut or Robin's sweetfern, its not me expecting another clear winner. Its me combing the biome to see if there could be just one more,
Time will tell if the compound leaves all juglans are prone to, is (or becomes) small enough to adapt to tray culture with Garrets shrubby black walnut.
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Post by garrett on Dec 25, 2012 19:19:07 GMT -5
hope you enjoys em copp.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2012 12:47:10 GMT -5
IMO these will be a long shot, but after TX Ebony, not an impossible one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2012 19:24:02 GMT -5
When the human dies Its cold and snowy, so I'm not outdoors. Of my morning tour of gardening sites, on bonsainut a young adult just inherited his grandfathers bonsai collection.
It has not fared well, from being not well maintained for much of the past year (You can do a lot with automatic waterers for the short term). His post seeking help and advice got a whole bunch of the grumpy old men to squirm in their chairs today.
I'll have to talk again to the son-in-law...
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Post by LinFL on Jan 4, 2013 13:01:59 GMT -5
Coppice, I was thinking of your desire to use trees that fruit and/or flower for bonsai. You said on the Satsuma thread that you have no indoors space. Dwarf pomegranates are cute as can be. Most pomegranates are only hardy to zone 8, but the dwarf cultivar Nana can be grown through zone 7. It does have to be protected from late frosts (it's susceptible to dieback if it breaks dormancy and is then exposed to frost). I have read about people successfully growing this cultivar in zones 5 and 6 with protection. So I thought it might be an option hardy for you if you could place it in a warm microclimate, or protect it somehow. I used to have one. It has bright orange-red flowers all summer long, right up until frost. If your summer is long enough, you will have blooms, developing fruit, and ripe fruit on it all at the same time. The leaves, blooms and fruit are all small. The fruit is tasty, though I'd guess you aren't going to get much from it if you grow it as a bonsai. It's only about 3'-4' tall and wide even if unpruned and grown in the ground. So I would think it would be easy to dwarf it to bonsai size. Below are some pictures from two vendors. Overall plant appearance: www.monrovia.com/plant-catalog/plants/2021/dwarf-pomegranate.phpClose-ups of leaves, blooms, and fruit: almostedenplants.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=405
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2013 9:45:36 GMT -5
Pomegranate
I actually had dwarf poms in NH. They had to come indoors under lights there, and would again here.
There is a dry period for winter (or dormant period) in the home range of Poms, that is tricky this far north.
Whats left of my memory is even at the national arboretum (NY Ave. Washington DC), they covered their poms.
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Post by LinFL on Jan 5, 2013 17:04:23 GMT -5
I kinda figured you'd already tried (or rejected) them. Suggesting them was worth a shot anyway, right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2013 8:47:48 GMT -5
I kinda figured you'd already tried (or rejected) them. Suggesting them was worth a shot anyway, right? Absolutely! I hope the mulberry seed I trayed (up) germinates. I couldn't bring those with me either. Garret hasn't gone out the egress on his arbor (yet), of parting with his babies. its not too bad when you sell a couple. A move, or a forced move; Ooo baby, that's like a third degree burn...
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