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Post by kay on Sept 7, 2011 9:37:21 GMT -5
Well up north mi. we have the Crab apple trees and mine is loaded!! I want to know what I can do with these crab apples! Can someone help me??? Jealousy rears its ugly head.... Did you find any recipes? I've got recipes for juice, butter, spiced, and of course that fabulous jelly!
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Post by auntyemerald on Sept 8, 2011 0:05:26 GMT -5
Ya know--crab apples are supposed to make the best pectin.. as expensive as that stuff is it may be worth a try to make my own. I found a recipe on "Pick your own" for making your own pectin. www.pickyourown.org/makeyourownpectin.htm I haven't tried it yet but I do have a tree full of green apples right now.
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Post by tastyofhasty on Sept 8, 2011 9:03:21 GMT -5
I've made my own pectin from unripe apples for a couple years now, for that exact reason. Pectin IS expensive at the store, kind of cuts into how much you've saved by making your own rather than just buying the gro-store jelly.
One thing I've found is, after you've got your "pectin" made, let it sit in a jar in the fridge overnight; in the morning, pour off the thin juice on the top.
My homemade pectin isn't as strong as I would like. Things only half-jell. Sigh. You can also thicken along with the pectin, with cornstarch, arrowroot, or like I posted on iDig, xanthan gum is kind of cool stuff; you use a lot less of it by volume than you use of pectin, and it's cheaper by volume than pectin.
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Post by garrett on Sept 14, 2011 19:14:32 GMT -5
xanthan gum?
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Post by garrett on Sept 15, 2011 9:11:06 GMT -5
still thinking bout some peach and pear trees.lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 3:47:17 GMT -5
still thinking bout some peach and pear trees.lol I'm only gonna qualify as a yankee, I'm afraid. And I'm not gonna get hit as hard as someone with less winter (than me) gets. But its generaly true about prunus that some of the leaf diseases/scale can be reduced by regular spray of dormant oil (and yes there are organic dormant oils). Borer however needs a systemic ( not organic) spray, or a steady supply of replacement trees. Something I can't do on my small plot. if its true in new england, to gain heat, by increased air flow, its likely to be true in the south, not so much to gain heat, but to decrease humidity, your orchard needs to be on a slight rise. even a little hill makes air flow increase. Better air flow makes for less crud growing on your leaves. For peach plum cherry apricot, less crud on your leaves is a healthier tree...
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Post by garrett on Sept 29, 2011 10:38:04 GMT -5
hey coppice welcome to da acres.smiles
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Post by fulenn on Sept 29, 2011 18:16:34 GMT -5
I grew up on crabapple jelly in Colorado. You can make just crabapple, or you can use enough of the apples to jell it and add other fruits that don't have natural pectin. Yum!
For a tree in the South, I live in Central Texas and have a persimmon tree and 3 figs in my yard. Also a couple of pecan trees, but you said you were interested in fruit....
I had a meyer lemon, but the cold 2 years ago killed it and most of my friends lost theirs, too.
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Post by w8n4dave on Sept 29, 2011 20:10:37 GMT -5
I have a crabapple tree up north, and If i am not mistaken you can pick the crabapples even after a frost... I am going up there next week and going to be picking me some crabapples!! Now I am learning to make jelly from crabapples I love my on line buddies
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 22:00:42 GMT -5
If i am not mistaken you can pick the crabapples even after a frost... I am going up there next week and going to be picking me some crabapples!! Now I am learning to make jelly from crabapples I love my on line buddies Cut some a the seeds outta them crab apples so's you don't cook the life out them & plant them seeds girl!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2011 22:02:51 GMT -5
hey coppice welcome to da acres.smiles I'll go anywhere there is a tree forum... And the people are nice here too.
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Post by garrett on Sept 30, 2011 9:16:36 GMT -5
I grew up on crabapple jelly in Colorado. You can make just crabapple, or you can use enough of the apples to jell it and add other fruits that don't have natural pectin. Yum! For a tree in the South, I live in Central Texas and have a persimmon tree and 3 figs in my yard. Also a couple of pecan trees, but you said you were interested in fruit.... I had a meyer lemon, but the cold 2 years ago killed it and most of my friends lost theirs, too. Fulenn weather's been crazy in soouth texas too.lol
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Post by garrett on Sept 30, 2011 9:18:15 GMT -5
hey coppice welcome to da acres.smiles I'll go anywhere there is a tree forum... And the people are nice here too. i agree we been blessed with some special folks here.smiles
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Post by garrett on Sept 30, 2011 9:19:02 GMT -5
Ya know--crab apples are supposed to make the best pectin.. as expensive as that stuff is it may be worth a try to make my own. I found a recipe on "Pick your own" for making your own pectin. www.pickyourown.org/makeyourownpectin.htm I haven't tried it yet but I do have a tree full of green apples right now.
now where is auntie hiding at? smiles
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Post by w8n4dave on Sept 30, 2011 9:26:39 GMT -5
I think the first time I tried to make my crabapple jelly I did NOT cook it log enuf. It is hard when you have never done it before and trying to read the instructions on how. But anyway I believe on HMK's site ther are some youtubes that show you and after I watched those I knew I didn't cook them long enuf. So when I go back up I am goingto get me some more crabapples I will save some seeds and I will try and plant them See if I cannot get me a crabapple down here That would rock!!
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Post by w8n4dave on Sept 30, 2011 9:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by fulenn on Sept 30, 2011 18:01:06 GMT -5
Don't forget to really mash them in the pot when they are cooking. I would put them whole into the pot of water to boil, then when they got soft pull out the potato masher and mash them. After they have cooked long enough, pour them into a large strainer lined with cheesecloth and squeeze out as much juice as possible.
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Post by garrett on Oct 10, 2011 8:59:26 GMT -5
so we plant fruit trees in winter or spring?
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Post by gulfcoastguy on Oct 10, 2011 12:48:44 GMT -5
As soon as it turns good and cold Red. I'd say in November.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2011 0:30:33 GMT -5
All generalizations are false. With that said, plant seeds in the fall. Plant trees, seedlings or larger in either the fall or spring.
Transplanting trees while they are dormant is what I do.
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Post by garrett on Oct 12, 2011 11:22:57 GMT -5
we'll see how much cheese we got at years end.smiles
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 5:25:36 GMT -5
Mike Dirr writes books about trees the size of NYC phone books. He has described what he calls 'inhibitors' that keep tree seeds from growing in all but the most favorable conditions.
The readers digest of what that means is tree seeds like to have those inhibitors broken down by the changes of cold and moisture, with the italics being changes of both. When ever I have dried, or frozen tree seeds they either didn't germinate at all, or only a few germinated.
If you've ever had an apple or peach germinate in your compost pile, you've seen the result of that fluctuation in temperatures--moisture.
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Post by garrett on Oct 14, 2011 9:11:23 GMT -5
interesting.we can artificially influence the inhibitors though?
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Post by desertrat on Oct 14, 2011 15:03:12 GMT -5
I just planted an Oscar Mulberry and have a couple of dwarf figs going that haven't fruited yet. Have a pomegranate started from a cutting ready to plant soon along with a conadria fig when I decide where it'll fit. Also have a white sapote still in a pot and plan to get a couple of mandarin oranges and bonanza peaches as the trees stay small. Watering will be the only problem, I'm planting them in a low part of the yard to catch rain runoff, problem is we only got about 3 1/2 in. of rain so far this year so no runoff! Water bill may go up considerably.
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Post by directsunlight on Oct 14, 2011 23:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks for the input! Since posting earlier, I've thought about pomegranate and persimmon here. Has anyone tried these, and where did you find one? I've never seen either at any of the local nurseries, & have heard mostly negative things about growing trees from seed.
Citrus are out here, as the winter will kill it sooner or later. Plus lemons make dangerous houseplants, lol.
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Post by gulfcoastguy on Oct 15, 2011 10:01:36 GMT -5
We planted Japanese persimmons about 25 years ago but it got taken out by a hurricane. I believe we got it at Lowes.
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Post by gulfcoastguy on Oct 15, 2011 10:05:42 GMT -5
Here is a source for about any fruit tree. It's been about 12 years since I ordered from them. I might ask for there catalogue again. www.raintreenursery.com/
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Post by directsunlight on Oct 16, 2011 2:11:02 GMT -5
Here is a source for about any fruit tree. It's been about 12 years since I ordered from them. I might ask for there catalogue again. www.raintreenursery.com/I ordered a catalog. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 5:49:41 GMT -5
interesting.we can artificially influence the inhibitors though? With fresh moist seed, not all that much. A few (southern) trees seed will germinate as soon as it falls, but the overwhelming numbers want a winters cold. An example, of 'drop and sprout' would be either of the mullberry. A much more common, 'sleep on it' of overwinter dormancy of seeds is: paw paw.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 5:56:46 GMT -5
Pomegranite for me is a tender indoor (in winter) bonsai, it and Bay Laurel need a reduced watering scedule, that was for me with trees indoors a bit tricky.
Persimmon, is a temperate tree, its got a much bigger footprint in north america. I think the last ones I got were mail order out of OIKOS Tree Crops--Kalamazoo MI, they have a web page.
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